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Feb 14, 2016 16:40:33   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Tigger1 wrote:
Agreed, sounds like you have the situation covered. I assume your 200-500 is part of that trilogy? Are you doing most of your wildlife photograph out of a safari vehicle? If so, I suggest discussing with your safari guide some sort of camera/lens support system. I found a bean bag very helpful when using the 200-500 on my two bodies. No room in the Toyota Land Cruiser for a tripod so bean bag seemed the best compromise. Next time we go, I think I will take a "rail clamp" which I can then mount my gimbal head on.
Assuming you do take firearms for your game hunting portion of the safari, specifically what animals are you seeking and what rifles do you propose using. Your alternative may be to rent what you need from the safari operator.
Agreed, sounds like you have the situation covered... (show quote)


I guess since my 200-500 mm is not an f/2.8, it does not qualify as part of the trilogy, so it will be four lenses in all. A as the bean bag, it is part of my props which I still have from my varmint shooting days back in Texas; a 22-250 single shot did the job well then.

No weapons, nor firearms this time, been there, done that; strictly a photography trek.

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Feb 14, 2016 16:55:40   #
Tigger1 Loc: Surrey, BC Canada
 
Julian wrote:
I guess since my 200-500 mm is not an f/2.8, it does not qualify as part of the trilogy, so it will be four lenses in all. A as the bean bag, it is part of my props which I still have from my varmint shooting days back in Texas; a 22-250 single shot did the job well then.

No weapons, nor firearms this time, been there, done that; strictly a photography trek.

What country or countries are you visiting?

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Feb 14, 2016 17:03:35   #
GregWCIL Loc: Illinois
 
Dave R. wrote:
This subject will possibly include discussion on hunting animals so if you are anti hunting please move on as it is not my intention to stir the pot. My wife and I are giving serious consideration on going to Africa to hunt plains game and combine that as a photo safari. I am wondering if anyone here has been on safari for both hunting and photography and if so your views on the pro's and con's of doing so. I would also be interested in any recommended outfitters.
We recently went to a local sportsman's show in our area and spoke with several outfitters from Africa. Options abound so making it a personalized trip is possible. Right now a 10 day safari is the most appealing but would pay more if convinced to stay for a longer period of time to take full advantage of the trip. Our thanks in advance.
This subject will possibly include discussion on h... (show quote)


Congrats on your trip, Dave. My wife and I are looking at 2017 for an African trip. Its a huge continent; where are you considering going? I too am interested in other folks experiences particularly on places and times to visit.

I've mainly looked at western Kenya and Tanzania in the Jan./Feb. time frame. Its not the heavy rainy season but hopefully not dry brush and so much dust either.

I also am open to a two-destination trip. Perhaps one more photo intensive and another with a little more scenery and cultural emphasis (like the OAT Travel trips).

I hope others will jump in with suggestions.

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Feb 14, 2016 17:13:06   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
Check out in Texas the YO Ranch Headquarters. You can do both. I did the photo safari part for 5 hours. http://yoranchheadquarters.com/
Dave R. wrote:
This subject will possibly include discussion on hunting animals so if you are anti hunting please move on as it is not my intention to stir the pot. My wife and I are giving serious consideration on going to Africa to hunt plains game and combine that as a photo safari. I am wondering if anyone here has been on safari for both hunting and photography and if so your views on the pro's and con's of doing so. I would also be interested in any recommended outfitters.
We recently went to a local sportsman's show in our area and spoke with several outfitters from Africa. Options abound so making it a personalized trip is possible. Right now a 10 day safari is the most appealing but would pay more if convinced to stay for a longer period of time to take full advantage of the trip. Our thanks in advance.
This subject will possibly include discussion on h... (show quote)

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Feb 14, 2016 17:48:07   #
Tigger1 Loc: Surrey, BC Canada
 
GregWCIL wrote:
Congrats on your trip, Dave. My wife and I are looking at 2017 for an African trip. Its a huge continent; where are you considering going? I too am interested in other folks experiences particularly on places and times to visit.

I've mainly looked at western Kenya and Tanzania in the Jan./Feb. time frame. Its not the heavy rainy season but hopefully not dry brush and so much dust either.

I also am open to a two-destination trip. Perhaps one more photo intensive and another with a little more scenery and cultural emphasis (like the OAT Travel trips).

I hope others will jump in with suggestions.
Congrats on your trip, Dave. My wife and I are loo... (show quote)

Hi Greg,
If you and your wife are in reasonably good health and fitness, consider going to Rwanda for gorilla trekking! Then on to Tanzania to see the "Big Five" and countless other species too! Or, South Africa for big game safari and the cosmopolitan life style of Cape Town!
If interested in additional information, PM me.
Garth(Tigger1)

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Feb 14, 2016 19:10:18   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
GregWCIL wrote:
Aren't you high and mighty. Often when hunting in distant locations where it isn't practical to ship the meat home, it is donated to local residents who greatly appreciate it. Even here at home, many hunters donate the meat to local food banks.

Your disgust shows your ignorance of wildlife conservation. Hunters pay large fees to harvest a renewable resource. Those fees are the main means of conservation support for the species involved. Do you pay any fees when you go out photographing wildlife? I doubt it.
Aren't you high and mighty. Often when hunting in ... (show quote)

no but I do pay a fee when I fish. And we contribut to any number of animal charities. With regard to hunting and animal preservation- meat hunters almost wiped out the American Bison. Meat hunters (fishing) have decimated many fish populations. Meat hunters (whaling) are wiping out whales. And by the way- even if the meat is given to the locals- I don't grasp the fact that somehow killing animals helps to preserve them. As a target shooter. when hunting any animal as soon as the rifle comes to the shoulder, the hunt is over. At that point it is merely target practice.

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Feb 15, 2016 06:34:57   #
Dave R. Loc: PNW
 
boberic wrote:
Are you hunting for meat or trophy? I have no problem with the former but if the latter
- stay the hell out of anywhere. All trophy hunters want to prove is how big their Penis is.


Going to Africa from the US is far enough that even if I wanted to bring meat home it is NOT allowed by either the African government or the US government. The locals eat all the meat and in many cases it is donated to folks starving or in need of substance. Your comment although out in left field is one of misunderstanding. Perhaps think it through before making yourself look silly. Common sense goes a long ways these days. You may want to also research the value of hunting. It actually is better for the species than not hunting: Example look at the countries overpopulated by people in this world and the problems they face. Rocket science it is not. thumbup:

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Feb 15, 2016 06:37:52   #
DaveHam Loc: Reading UK
 
I do so hope the animals are successful and hunt you.

Isnt there enough game to slaughter in America without shooting the little left we have in Africa.

Between tourist hunters looking for their jollies away from home and poachers its lucky I have some photos of what wildlife looked like to show my children.

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Feb 15, 2016 06:51:01   #
Dave R. Loc: PNW
 
DaveHam wrote:
I do so hope the animals are successful and hunt you.

Isnt there enough game to slaughter in America without shooting the little left we have in Africa.

Between tourist hunters looking for their jollies away from home and poachers its lucky I have some photos of what wildlife looked like to show my children.


You really need to educate yourself. There is no shortage of animals in Africa. They do have a problem in some areas with poaching I will concede you that but the reality is most of the safaris you are hunting on private land where the land owner's own the game. It's a BUSINESS. No different than ranchers in the US or the UK where they raise cattle for food. Get a grip as you are very clearly misinformed. In africa most safaris allow up to 10 animals where here I need to apply for a tag and hope for the chance to take one animal to help feed my family. Huge difference if you stop and think about it. Something I question you can do.
Perhaps you call yourself a vegan and don't eat meat. Thats fine and a choice we can all make, but to criticize others for not agreeing with your beliefs is plain stupid. Things always balance out if and when they get out of control. It's a fact of life. :roll:
I made it clear from the opening statement if you disagree with hunting move on. I guess some just don't respect others and only wish to spew their own BS regardless.

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Feb 15, 2016 06:55:46   #
Dave R. Loc: PNW
 
Dave R. wrote:
You really need to educate yourself. There is no shortage of animals in Africa. They do have a problem in some areas with poaching I will concede you that but the reality is most of the safaris you are hunting on private land where the land owner's own the game. It's a BUSINESS. No different than ranchers in the US or the UK where they raise cattle for food. Get a grip as you are very clearly misinformed. In africa most safaris allow up to 10 animals where here I need to apply for a tag and hope for the chance to take one animal to help feed my family. Huge difference if you stop and think about it. Something I question you can do.
Perhaps you call yourself a vegan and don't eat meat. Thats fine and a choice we can all make, but to criticize others for not agreeing with your beliefs is plain stupid. Things always balance out if and when they get out of control. It's a fact of life. :roll:
I made it clear from the opening statement if you disagree with hunting move on. I guess some just don't respect others and only wish to spew their own BS regardless. Now please move on or go do something useful like educate yourself.
You really need to educate yourself. There is no s... (show quote)

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Feb 15, 2016 07:02:42   #
DaveHam Loc: Reading UK
 
Dave R. wrote:
You really need to educate yourself. There is no shortage of animals in Africa. They do have a problem in some areas with poaching I will concede you that but the reality is most of the safaris you are hunting on private land where the land owner's own the game. It's a BUSINESS. No different than ranchers in the US or the UK where they raise cattle for food. Get a grip as you are very clearly misinformed. In africa most safaris allow up to 10 animals where here I need to apply for a tag and hope for the chance to take one animal to help feed my family. Huge difference if you stop and think about it. Something I question you can do.
Perhaps you call yourself a vegan and don't eat meat. Thats fine and a choice we can all make, but to criticize others for not agreeing with your beliefs is plain stupid. Things always balance out if and when they get out of control. It's a fact of life. :roll:
I made it clear from the opening statement if you disagree with hunting move on. I guess some just don't respect others and only wish to spew their own BS regardless.
You really need to educate yourself. There is no s... (show quote)


Firstly this is a photographic web site.

Secondly as a person who works in Africa in the wildlife business I can assure you that the populations of many of the species are being reduced significantly.

I know you people love to shoot things and justify yourselves with the delusion that you individually have no impact on the general population but as you like to shoot the biggest and the best and the business of hunting is money oriented with no concern being exhibited for the natural balance and order of things there is a significant impact.

Still when there is nothing left to shoot you can all amuse yourselves looking at the trophy heads on your den walls.

Oh but most of the airlines won't fly meat products now. Shame eh?

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Feb 15, 2016 07:26:40   #
Dave R. Loc: PNW
 
DaveHam wrote:
Firstly this is a photographic web site.

Secondly as a person who works in Africa in the wildlife business I can assure you that the populations of many of the species are being reduced significantly.

I know you people love to shoot things and justify yourselves with the delusion that you individually have no impact on the general population but as you like to shoot the biggest and the best and the business of hunting is money oriented with no concern being exhibited for the natural balance and order of things there is a significant impact.

Still when there is nothing left to shoot you can all amuse yourselves looking at the trophy heads on your den walls.

Oh but most of the airlines won't fly meat products now. Shame eh?
Firstly this is a photographic web site. br br Se... (show quote)

Again your inability to educate yourself is obvious. Look at these;
https://www.safariclub.org/
https://www.safariclub.org/
https://jrd.rmef.org/howtohelp/join?gclid=CNDBw_Lh-coCFQyHaQodBEkKYA

Justa small few of the organizations that are doing what they can to PRESERVE wildlife.

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Feb 15, 2016 07:43:26   #
Remus Loc: Norfolk, UK
 
I once went big game fishing in the South Pacific. A Marlin was caught and duly killed, taken back to port and hoisted up so the captor (not me, nothing bit during my turn on the rod) could be photographed with his catch. Afterwards I realised that none of us had shown any skill, we'd just been grunts winding in the fish. The skipper sought out the best fishing area, his crew set up the rods and hauled the fish on board. Everything excapt holding the rod was done by others. I suspect, may be wrong, that you will be taken to a place where game are known to be, there will be some that need culling (old age, illness, injury or overpopulation - whatever) and they will be set up for you. Your trophy will be handled throughout by others. You will just be the guy who takes the shot and gets photographed sfterwards. I'm a meat eater, I have no problem with raising animals for food but I wonder what is gained by posing for a photo with the kill. I've seen photos on facebook of people posing in front of dead animals, lions, giraffes and others. I don't know what they think they look like but the response from most others is either ridicule or disgust or both. Shoot with your camera friend. Leave the culling to qualified vets.

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Feb 15, 2016 09:08:52   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
GregWCIL wrote:
Aren't you high and mighty. Often when hunting in distant locations where it isn't practical to ship the meat home, it is donated to local residents who greatly appreciate it. Even here at home, many hunters donate the meat to local food banks.

Your disgust shows your ignorance of wildlife conservation. Hunters pay large fees to harvest a renewable resource. Those fees are the main means of conservation support for the species involved. Do you pay any fees when you go out photographing wildlife? I doubt it.
Aren't you high and mighty. Often when hunting in ... (show quote)


I have always had a problem with the word "harvest" when describing killing animals. Look up the word euphemism. It's not like picking tomatoes. But maybe it makes you feel better about it. I have no problem with you hunting if it's legal. But please don't hand us that bull sheet.

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Feb 15, 2016 09:21:01   #
Tjohn Loc: Inverness, FL formerly Arivaca, AZ
 
Never hunted there, didn't take a camera because the country didn't like people taking pictures, even had a .45 pointed at my head asking me if I had a camera. Not fun. What I did discover is there is a serious shortage of Ketchup until I found out that Brits call it tomato sauce.
Have a nice trip.

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