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Apr 28, 2024 15:12:53   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.

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Apr 28, 2024 15:20:57   #
Barre Loc: Fairfax Co, VA
 
AI humor...or truth?



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Apr 28, 2024 16:50:57   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)



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Apr 28, 2024 16:51:29   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
Barre wrote:
AI humor...or truth?



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Apr 28, 2024 17:00:56   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
Barre wrote:
AI humor...or truth?


My feelings to but I haven't figured out how to have AI do them ... yet

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Apr 28, 2024 17:31:17   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)


I agree. It's kind of like a god - since he/she/it was created by man (and I do mean man), he/she/it will act like a man.

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Apr 28, 2024 17:47:41   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)


I prefer the term “machine learning”.

It goes back a lot further than 2000. In 1980, when I was at Tektronix, we marketed a HW AI platform and an object oriented programming language specifically for machine learning called SmallTalk. It was not a marketing success - too far ahead of its time.

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Apr 28, 2024 18:15:45   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
TriX wrote:
I prefer the term “machine learning”...


I wish my car's GPS would learn.

It's really a pretty rudimentary program. I tell it where I want to go and it knows where I am so it tries to chart a path for me to take. It knows which the major roads are and which the minor roads are. It sometimes knows which roads are one way.

I have a couple places I want to go that mix major and minor roads. My GPS has a tendency to choose the major roads preferentially. But as a result, it will pick a route that travels on a minor road until I want to get onto a major road. So the GPS takes me straight on the minor road to a stop sign. I then have to navigate onto the major road with a left turn through the stop sign. However, I know that there is a short cut on another minor road that crosses the major road at a traffic light. I always take it. My GPS has to recalculate each time. If it learned, it would be great. That way when I had a similar situation on a path I don't travel frequently enough to remember, it will choose the easier path through the traffic light so I don't have to make a left turn onto a busy highway.

I must admit that my phone does a better job in this regard. It doesn't learn but it knows the difference between a stop sign and a stop light on a major road. The only problem is that it doesn't integrate well with my car GPS. Hopefully the next car I buy will have higher intellegence and better integration between different systems. I would prefer to use the phone because it keeps updates with traffic and road changes. But the interface is so klunky that it's difficult to use it.

I really agree with the comment I have seen posted that the proper use of AI is for the mundane, repetitive tasks of life rather than the creative tasks. The problem is that the mundane repetitive tasks are physical (dishes and laundry) while the creative tasks are mental and don't require hands and feet.

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Apr 28, 2024 20:02:52   #
Toby
 
Barre wrote:
AI humor...or truth?


Excellent point

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Apr 28, 2024 21:04:24   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)

You're correct for the moment. True AI doesn't yet exist; however, at some point it will... Just like at some point homo sapiens didn't exist but here we are.

bwa



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Apr 28, 2024 23:12:17   #
tuatara Loc: Orig. NZ - currently SF area
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)


I always say that AI is neither, it's not Artificial because we made it, and it definitely not Intelligent.
It's just an increasingly powerful search and sort programme.

"AI" has definite advantages in specialized applications, such as X-ray scanning, searching records, inventory.
Even manufacturing, I'm a machinist by trade, 50+ yrs, and the power of the computer for manufacturing is amazing. Systems that weren't even conceived of when I started my apprenticeship in '68.

The down side is you need less people with less skill to do the same job, and with better quality. For instance last week I did a job on a CNC lathe in 2 days what it would have taken me a week to to on a manual lathe. In a civilize society the government would take an active part in helping the work force stay current, and not just relying on large corps many of whom only "train" to job specific, and the smaller companies just don't have the resources to really train somebody. There are exceptions of course

I little story about US job training, about '71 when I was about 3/4 of the way through my apprenticeship I was out boozing with my mates one night and met an engineer from Ford Dearborn. We got to talking and he asked if I was planning on visiting the US, didn't know at the time and said so. He told me the machinists with European stile apprenticeships, which NZ had at the time, could just about name their price, I asked why and was told that his company and most others trained job specific, there people were good machinists but they didn't a basic foundational training, they learnt what was needed for the job, Cheaper that way.

Me, I enjoy learning new things, and basic programming skills needed for where my career has taken me has never been an issue.
So Called "AI" is here to stay, many drudge jobs will disappear, as they should, BUT we shouldn't write off those who did them, WE need to actively help the keep up.

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Apr 29, 2024 01:34:14   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
TriX wrote:
I prefer the term “machine learning”.

It goes back a lot further than 2000. In 1980, when I was at Tektronix, we marketed a HW AI platform and an object oriented programming language specifically for machine learning called SmallTalk. It was not a marketing success - too far ahead of its time.


It is an advancement from the pattern recognition that the airlines of the 1980s used to control their overbooking limits, Next up was the neural nets used for detecting fraudulent use of credit cards in the 1990s. The terminology AI is apparently with us forever as publications refer to the fifth generation of computers as AI. It is useful as a shorthand for using massively integrated chips having millions of transistors per chip. AI, a mnemonic, is much easier to say and remember.

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Apr 29, 2024 05:29:12   #
Ollieboy
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)


I've had the same belief for years. Machines don't think, they do what they're taught. It's all about the programmer.

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Apr 29, 2024 07:21:51   #
Canisdirus
 
I believe there is a bias for humans when regarding a computer.

Can an Octopus think? Most folks would say yes.
A computer can match an octopus...yet...we don't want to give it the same regard as the Octopus.

The computer Eugene seems to have passed the Turing test...and if it doesn't...other will soon enough.
The advancement of computers is not linear...computers will surpass us at some point.

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Apr 29, 2024 08:02:33   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)


AI = opinions in code

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