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Nov 13, 2013 23:13:24   #
Terra Australis Loc: Australia
 
Nikon_Bill wrote:

Who really determines what is a good or bad picture?


You do. Not only have you a great bargain with the manual Nikkor lens, you have taken a great shot with it. Window light can be difficult but what you have done is very good.

Now keep your eye out for a 85mm f1.8 Ai Nikkor and a 105mm f2.5 Nikkor and you have some of the best from Nikon.

Also, disregard the naysayers and just take photos.

Oliver.

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Nov 13, 2013 23:23:44   #
lightchime Loc: Somewhere Over The Rainbow
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
You and DebAnn either have extra-sensory perception together with a huge knowledge base And perfect skin complexion or you are just trying to impress each other.
I can just detect maybe some PP sharpening by downloading the picture, then again it's just a guess.
To me this looks pretty good with what's presented plus the girl is a looker, with or without perfect skin!



Probably no ESP and maybe a fair knowledge base. Maybe DebAnn has a perfect complexion, but I would guess that we both show a bit of age. No one here knows who I am, so there is nothing to be gained by trying to impress.

I am currently using an old crappy monitor - one that I would never use for my post processing. I bought it for $15 at a university surplus store - probably one of the first non tube editions. I see, in the darker areas a huge amount of digital noise. It is not present in the highlight areas. The image is a bit soft with no over sharpening. I only mentioned this because it is an optical problem that was not directly related to the the optical characteristics of the lens.

Just to provide further information - 2 of my 4 Nikon lenses are old relics that have great optical characteristics. They were great buys and provide great images -sharp, with good contrast and fine color reproduction. Any problems that they could have by not being coated can be bypassed with proper considerations.

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Nov 13, 2013 23:43:20   #
Nikon_Bill Loc: South Florida
 
I worked for a man once who told me, "Even when the boss is wrong, he is still your boss, or you don't get paid". I've always found that in any art form, the artist (in this case photographers) are in a never ending struggle to produce what they believe to be correct or good work, but to keep going and making money to live on, must sell out or prostitute that noble position to the money holding customer who doesn't care about the 'rules of right or wrong, good or bad'. He only wants what pleases him and in most cases has less or no appreciation of the art. Often the client that is aware of what he is doing, will simply have a different opinion. Either way, the photographer must produce, not what he likes to see, but what the client wants. Otherwise, try subsisting on you own. In other words, who determines. If it doesn't sell, is it good photography? Who really decides the rules. The golden rule says, "He who has the gold makes the rules". In the music industry, the one who sells the most records gets the awards and the industry shifts its standard to the new money maker. Isn't photography a similar art form in its response to money?

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Nov 14, 2013 00:13:25   #
Nikon_Bill Loc: South Florida
 
I do agree, Nikon_Bill is correct. Ultimately.. You do!
You decide what you will produce and if you are willing to produce it. That means the photographers reputation or name is on the line. You wear the label you've sown. If you can establish a good reputation as a quality photographer and make money doing it, I do believe you've accomplished a worthwhile goal. Not many who run that race reach the finish line. At my age I'm not so concerned with what a client likes or not. I can take it or leave it. That's one advantage of retirement. I think I do better work now that I don't have to do it for money.

I like to raise the issues to see what others will do in response and why. I don't need their approval, but I do really appreciate all or you willingness to express yourself freely and enjoy open dialogue.

Thanks for putting up with me.

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Nov 14, 2013 00:42:31   #
TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ
 
Nikon_Bill wrote:


Thanks for putting up with me.

OK, you are safe for now....mostly cause of the good photography, Nikon and the cute Avatar. 8-)

PS. let's work on getting the "quote" thing down pat ! lol

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Nov 14, 2013 04:17:14   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Nikon_Bill wrote:
I found a Nikon 1.4 manual focus lens in a pawn shop. The clerk only wanted $50 for it. It was in very good condition. The old IS lenses won't attach to my Nikon D7000 as is, but I notched the edge to allow the lens to mount and the f/stops work with the speed setting and iso on auto now. The older D80 will accept the lenses. This photo amazed me. The color and sharpness as well as the soft backgrounds have made me wonder why so many of these great portrait lenses were laid aside. Do any of you use old lenses on digitals. I'd love to see some of the photos and hear about it.
I found a Nikon 1.4 manual focus lens in a pawn sh... (show quote)


I use old lenses all of the time on my Fuji X-Pro1...that's one huge advantage to these cameras; their ability to adapt to cheap lenses.

I have:

Fuji 14mm f/2.8

Fuji 35mm f/1.4

Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f/1.5

Konica Hexanon 52mm f/1.8

Minolta MD Rokkor-X 85mm f/2

Minolta MD Rokkor 135mm f/2.8

Minolta MC Tele-Rokkor 300mm f/4.5

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Nov 14, 2013 04:22:50   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Nikon_Bill wrote:
I wasn't looking for a critique on the photograph. I was interested in knowing if any of you are using manual focus, older lenses, and what you have used them for. The photo was to show sharpness under low light. I use a color balance system to review the images, that however wasn't my concern in this sample I posted.

Do you think the older lenses are a good value?

Or have I made a mistake in having this in the main photo form. Is this area for critical analysis too? Should I have posted this in the other area to get critiqued in all aspects from lens, camera, technique, and so on to finished print and how the bride will or will not appreciate the work?

I may be new here, but I'm not new to photography. At 70, this isn't my first rodeo. So have at it! What else can you find that would make a better photo using an antiquated lens? I'd like to hear that.
I wasn't looking for a critique on the photograph.... (show quote)


You didn't do anything wrong...it's just the phenomenon of internet forums...they turn into fight-fests, insult-parties, and similar.

It's just the nature of the beast...the internet brings this out in people....you just have to shrug and move forward.

Trust me, this is just the tip of the iceberg...if you can't let this roll off...then you might not like it here...

In any case...Welcome! :)


As far as how to do better...Not sure...because I'm not sure what's going on with your image, however I use these old lenses all of the time and love them.

I just posted a thread yesterday where I used an old Minolta 85mm lens:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-162782-1.html

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Nov 14, 2013 06:16:41   #
paulw Loc: nottinghamshire
 
Nikon_Bill wrote:
I wasn't looking for a critique on the photograph. I was interested in knowing if any of you are using manual focus, older lenses, and what you have used them for. The photo was to show sharpness under low light. I use a color balance system to review the images, that however wasn't my concern in this sample I posted.

Do you think the older lenses are a good value?

Or have I made a mistake in having this in the main photo form. Is this area for critical analysis too? Should I have posted this in the other area to get critiqued in all aspects from lens, camera, technique, and so on to finished print and how the bride will or will not appreciate the work?

I may be new here, but I'm not new to photography. At 70, this isn't my first rodeo. So have at it! What else can you find that would make a better photo using an antiquated lens? I'd like to hear that.
I wasn't looking for a critique on the photograph.... (show quote)


this to me is a great looking photograph it kind of looks antique, some of your replies were harsh as you only asked about the lens not the image don't know why these people get so arsy about personal preference. im going to try one of my old glass now

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Nov 14, 2013 06:52:14   #
Bobbee
 
Nikon_Bill wrote:
I wasn't looking for a critique on the photograph. I was interested in knowing if any of you are using manual focus, older lenses, and what you have used them for. The photo was to show sharpness under low light. I use a color balance system to review the images, that however wasn't my concern in this sample I posted.

Do you think the older lenses are a good value?

Or have I made a mistake in having this in the main photo form. Is this area for critical analysis too? Should I have posted this in the other area to get critiqued in all aspects from lens, camera, technique, and so on to finished print and how the bride will or will not appreciate the work?

I may be new here, but I'm not new to photography. At 70, this isn't my first rodeo. So have at it! What else can you find that would make a better photo using an antiquated lens? I'd like to hear that.
I wasn't looking for a critique on the photograph.... (show quote)


Ha, good observation Bill!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nov 14, 2013 07:47:46   #
floridamet
 
I'm surprise that the lens won't attach to both bodies. I have old lenses from the film days. I never trade or sold them. Now they came out of the cases and are being used today.
My Nikon 17-35mm f/2.8 is in use a lot. Also I taking out my old 24-120mm lenses and shoot with it. The 24-120mm lenses sharper today than ever before.
My prime lenses work great.

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Nov 14, 2013 07:55:22   #
DnDphoto3
 
Great Buy, I would buy this lens all day long, I been shooting with Nikons for 20 years

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Nov 14, 2013 08:00:59   #
jjestar Loc: Savannah GA
 
rpavich wrote:
I use old lenses all of the time on my Fuji X-Pro1...that's one huge advantage to these cameras; their ability to adapt to cheap lenses.

I have:

Fuji 14mm f/2.8

Fuji 35mm f/1.4

Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f/1.5

Konica Hexanon 52mm f/1.8

Minolta MD Rokkor-X 85mm f/2

Minolta MD Rokkor 135mm f/2.8

Minolta MC Tele-Rokkor 300mm f/4.5


Do you need an adapter for the non fuji lens.

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Nov 14, 2013 08:05:42   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
jjestar wrote:
Do you need an adapter for the non fuji lens.


Yes, you need an adapter; they generally run anywhere from 20.00 to the 200.00 that I paid for the Leica M mount adapter.

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Nov 14, 2013 08:43:14   #
jjestar Loc: Savannah GA
 
rpavich wrote:
Yes, you need an adapter; they generally run anywhere from 20.00 to the 200.00 that I paid for the Leica M mount adapter.


I think I am going to buy a X E2 while I wait for the X Pro 2

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Nov 14, 2013 08:47:21   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
jjestar wrote:
I think I am going to buy a X E2 while I wait for the X Pro 2


That's the way to do it!

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