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Jan 7, 2019 18:07:03   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
imagemeister wrote:
As mention, they do suck air/debris which tends to adhere to the element surfaces. This particular lens also has bearing surfaces for the sliding action and these bearings also help hold the lens elements in proper alignment/position - and they tend to wear out. - Ask Canon why they do so many services on this lens !.....

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That does answer my question....at least for this lens.

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Jan 7, 2019 18:09:07   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
robertjerl wrote:
You are very welcome.
I got my 100-400 mk I from a member here on UHH who was changing to all Nikon gear. Check the "Members Buy/Sell/Trade -- Classifieds" section. One comes up for sale every once in a while.



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Jan 7, 2019 18:09:10   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
SteveR wrote:
That does answer my question....at least for this lens.


Then I guess I cannot help you ....

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Jan 7, 2019 18:25:04   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
imagemeister wrote:
Then I guess I cannot help you ....


If other lenses didn't have these problems, though, would it matter how many shots they had taken as long as the mechanical aspects of the lens were still working? When purchasing used prime lenses, for instance, we seem to be more interested in the exterior condition and appearance and that the lenses are not scratched.

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Jan 7, 2019 19:10:07   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
imagemeister wrote:
As mention, they do suck air/debris which tends to adhere to the element surfaces. This particular lens also has bearing surfaces for the sliding action and these bearings also help hold the lens elements in proper alignment/position - and they tend to wear out. - Ask Canon why they do so many services on this lens !.....

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Many lenses suck debris. Just the nature of many unsealed lenses like the Canon 100-400 MI.The MII is sealed and dust is not such a problem at all, in my years of using mine around the country including dusty desert locations.
See conclusion remarks on this pair of lenses.
https://www.kruger-2-kalahari.com/nikon-80-400mm-review.html

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Jan 7, 2019 19:24:45   #
the f/stops here Loc: New Mexico
 
Marycar, it depends on what you like to photograph and your budget. I have found the version I push pull is no more susceptible to dust that the mark II. The original is an excellent lens but the mark II has one advantage that makes it my "go to" lens. It focuses very close even at 400mm. I can photograph butterflies or dragonflies and get so close that I'm beyond getting the entire subject in the image ... all without extension tubes or dioter lenses. That means I haven't used my 100mm Macro lens since I started using the 100-400mm mark II.
When not photographing insects or flowers, I capture images of birds. I use the mark II with and without the 1.4X extender mark III with good success and therefore have a smile on my face. The first version was excellent but I never used used it with an extender as I had a 500 f/4.
The Tamron 100-400 is excellent but like the Canon version I will not get you in close without extension tubes or diopter lenses.
Hope this helps you have fun.

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Jan 7, 2019 19:31:34   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
SteveR wrote:
If other lenses didn't have these problems, though, would it matter how many shots they had taken as long as the mechanical aspects of the lens were still working? When purchasing used prime lenses, for instance, we seem to be more interested in the exterior condition and appearance and that the lenses are not scratched.


It is all about moving parts wearing out. Zoom lenses have many more moving parts than a prime lens ! Prime lenses still have the diaphram and the focusing parts that are most likely to wear out.

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Jan 7, 2019 20:41:43   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
billnikon wrote:
Nice post, lots of good information. I would just like to add that contrary to what you posted about folks liking the original for birds in flight, just the opposite is true in many of my encounters with folks in Florida, the photographers here agree that the 100-400 II is superior to shooting birds in flight in every way to the original version. Just sayin.


I appreciate that. I think there was some reluctance to make the switch early on... but it sounds as if the II has won a lot of converts.

It's also pretty fast zooming... I'd guess it's around 1/4 to 1/3 turn of the ring to go from 100 to 400mm.

Incidentally, I've personally never been a fan of push/pull zooms. But a lot of other people are. Seems like folks either love em or hate.

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Jan 7, 2019 20:59:58   #
marycar53 Loc: Tuscumbia Al
 
I'm using the 100-400 L IS v1 with the 1.4X vII extender. I use it on both my 7D MII and 5DMIV camera.
Until recently, I was getting good shots. I thought I had a lens issue due to the age of it, but was a slowly developing focusing issue at the 400mm end with out of focus and in focus in the same shot on the 5D. I'm attaching a shot I took Saturday with the 7DMII and convertor. I wasn't using a tripod.
CanonTom wrote:
rmorrison1116, CHG_Canon, and Imagemeister:

I am addressing each of you as you have extensive experience with both the version I and version II. I certainly hope this is not looked on as hijacking the thread as my questions simply ask for clarification on points already questioned and answered in this thread......I am interested in the version I lens with a converter as well. I fully realize the II is better but at twice the money, that has to matter in my situation.

I have already read many reviews and comparisons. I have two questions/comments I would really appreciate your comments and thoughts on and please feel free to elaborate.

1. Which version extender would be best for the version I and why? I am aware the III was made specifically for version II.

2. I read a review where someone, supposedly an expert, (I wish I could remember who wrote it), indicated that his experience indicated that the version I gave better clarity from a FF frame camera with a crop in PP of 1.4 rather than using it with an extender.

And I guess a 3rd question. I would be using on either a Canon EF 5D III (FF)or a Canon 60D (crop). I am expecting full auto focus ability on 5DIII but would expect problems with 60D. I would value your thoughts here as well!

I purchased my first L lens a year or so ago, an EF 70-300 L USM, which I love, but did not do my homework and assumed I would be able to use an extender. Fortunately I researched before buying the extender but should have before. I am hoping and assuming that if I buy the 100-400L I, that I will really have no need for the 70-300L I have and can plan to sell it to pay for the 100-400L. Would any of you plan to keep the 70-300 or would you consider it duplication?

Thanks for taking the time to comment guys and thank you!

Tom
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Jan 7, 2019 21:06:07   #
marycar53 Loc: Tuscumbia Al
 
I do mostly birding with it. It's been serviced and ring replaced about a year & half ago. I have problems with turning it and accidentally locking it to a setting and then have to unlock it trying to get a closer shot, and by that time, the bird is past the best spot for shooting. I find that irritating with the lens.

amfoto1 wrote:
I appreciate that. I think there was some reluctance to make the switch early on... but it sounds as if the II has won a lot of converts.

It's also pretty fast zooming... I'd guess it's around 1/4 to 1/3 turn of the ring to go from 100 to 400mm.

Incidentally, I've personally never been a fan of push/pull zooms. But a lot of other people are. Seems like folks either love em or hate.

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Jan 8, 2019 02:57:06   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
My EF 100-400L was not a dust pumper nor is my EF 28-300L a dust pumper. I don't understand why so many people believe these push pull lenses are dust pumpers. As far as I'm concerned, it's just an old wifes tale or some nonsense that people who can't afford the lenses spread as an excuse for not owning one.


Most definitely not an 'old wives tale'. I turned down a trade with an owner of one of the Mk 1 s who told me while we were discussing the lens of his need to have this professionally cleaned every year. I live in San Diego County which is hot dry and dusty in the summer and had no reason to doubt him since he was trying to get rid of it and giving full disclosure. I now own the EF 100 - 400 L Mkii, (which I'm planning to sell if anyone is interested), and all comments as to it's excellence and very good performance with an extender are spot on. One of Canon's best lenses to date.

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Jan 8, 2019 03:42:37   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
anotherview wrote:
My experience using the Sigma 100-400mm lens tells me it produces superb image results.

It lacks weather sealing like the Canon version, and it weighs far less, too. Further, it costs way less than the Canon lens.

I venture to say anyone but a pixel peeper could discern any substantial difference among the photographs of each lens.

I offer only an opinion here, not an argument. I like my Sigma 100-400 lens mounted to my Canon 6D camera. I want to move it up the Canon 6D Mark II.
My experience using the Sigma 100-400mm lens tells... (show quote)


First, I was not knocking the Sigma lens at all. I own a few Sigma lenses, both Sport and Contemporary series and the Sport series have slightly better optics and are built much tougher than the Contemporary series. I have both Sport and Contemporary versions of the Sigma 150-600, one with Canon mount and the Contemporary is Nikon mount. I often carry my D500 with the Sigma lens in the trunk of my motorcycle and it has held up just fine.

Since I already own a Canon EF 100-400L II, I doubt I will ever own the Sigma 100-400. That doesn't mean I don't believe the Sigma is a good lens, it is a good lens, it's simply not in the same class as the Canon. There's a whole lot more to a lens than just optics and there is nothing bad at all about the Sigma's optics. But, take into consideration the overall build quality, both external and internal, environmental sealing and durability and the Canon is simply a better lens. It doesn't cost what it costs simply because it displays the Canon name. It costs more because of how it is made.

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Jan 8, 2019 04:39:01   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Jimmy T wrote:
I concur, neither is my Canon EF 28-300L a "dust pumper". I have NEVER had ANY problems with it. I would be interested in hearing from folks with FIRST-Hand Experience with the Canon EF 28-300L. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I don't want to hi-jack this thread, so just .pm. me if you own/owned this lens and had trouble with it. I am truly interested. Thanks, JimmyT Sends.

I concur, neither is my Canon EF 28-300L a "d... (show quote)


The EF 28-300L is a great lens but they do have an internal design flaw than may rear its ugly little head depending on age and amount of usage. There is a ribbon cable that wears out with age and usage that will totally cripple the lens.
A little background; I bought my EF 28-300L used, from an art school in Canada. I paid $1500 USD for it several years ago and it was both clean and worked fine. As this is my favorite utility lens, it gets used quite often. The first symptom I noticed that something was not right was when the lens would no longer zoom all the way in to 28mm. A while later, soon after I began using it on my new 5D mk IV, I began getting error codes. Resetting the camera cleared the error and the lens worked ok until the next time it errored. I actually wondered if there was a compatibility issue with the new body and older lens, which of course is not the case. The errors were very intermittent, some times several times a day and sometimes nothing for several days or weeks. One day I was shooting one of my daughters college graduation and the lens suffered terminal failure. Bummer... I took it to my lens repair guy who disassembled the lens. He told me he could fix it but it would be less expensive if I sent it to Canon repair in New Jersey. The lens was reassembled and I sent it to Canon. Before they would diagnose the problem I paid them around $330 USD. The next day I received an email from Canon repair explaining what all was wrong and what it will cost to repair. That was on a Thursday. I paid the additional amount, around another $325 USD. I received another email from Canon repair the next day, the repairs were completed and the lens was being shipped back via UPS, Should receive it the following Monday.
The lens looked and worked like new. The main problem was the ribbon cable failure which caused other internal parts to fail. All worn out parts were replaced, the lens was cleaned inside and out and it was back to like new and works perfectly.
It again resumed the role of my favorite lens.
Being a push pull zoom is irrelevant to me. I have both twist and push pulls and I have no problem using either. A lot of people call them dust pumpers but I've never had that problem with any of my Canon push pull zoom lenses. Maybe those that do need to learn how to better treat and operate these lenses.
Anyway, that's my EF 28-300L lens story. I like that focal range so much I bought the Nikkor 28-300 for my Nikon bodies. It's not in the same league as the Canon but it's a nice lens none the less.

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Jan 8, 2019 05:33:38   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You have to go with your experience and your technical understanding. I do the same. In the process, I've found the Sigma 100-400mm lens to produce superb images. Being a fair-weather photographer, I do not miss weather seals in this lens. I look for capability and performance. That's about the size of it.
rmorrison1116 wrote:
First, I was not knocking the Sigma lens at all. I own a few Sigma lenses, both Sport and Contemporary series and the Sport series have slightly better optics and are built much tougher than the Contemporary series. I have both Sport and Contemporary versions of the Sigma 150-600, one with Canon mount and the Contemporary is Nikon mount. I often carry my D500 with the Sigma lens in the trunk of my motorcycle and it has held up just fine.

Since I already own a Canon EF 100-400L II, I doubt I will ever own the Sigma 100-400. That doesn't mean I don't believe the Sigma is a good lens, it is a good lens, it's simply not in the same class as the Canon. There's a whole lot more to a lens than just optics and there is nothing bad at all about the Sigma's optics. But, take into consideration the overall build quality, both external and internal, environmental sealing and durability and the Canon is simply a better lens. It doesn't cost what it costs simply because it displays the Canon name. It costs more because of how it is made.
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Jan 8, 2019 16:49:05   #
Fotoserj Loc: St calixte Qc Ca
 
Why don’t you simply rent the new version, take the same picture with each lens and do your own evaluation, lot cheaper than buying an deciding that the original suit you better.

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