PNagy wrote:
Zophman: The CDC has published these findings regarding second hand smoke (Google is an amazing tool...you should try it. It's easy!).
Nagy: You really got me now, you sarcastic ass. I never heard of Google before you told me about it. Good thing I have a memory many others mistake for a photographic one, because till this moment I could never have looked anything up. You have really opened my eyes, though. I suspect there may also be some information in these things called books.
Zophman: 41,300 people die each year from second hand smoke. Smokers not only k**l themselves but other innocent victims. Yes, in most communities smoking in public places is illegal or at least significantly restricted.
Nagy: I understand the official figures, but find them implausible, like serious assertions I have seen before that claim secondhand smoke is deadlier than firsthand. That does not mean I am attempting to nullify scientific data about the subject. I have not read enough on it to verify independently that it is really science, and probably accurate. I would be interested in knowing about how secondhand smoke can be that deadly, except in an unventilated environment where the smokers are severe users. I was hoping you would be willing to explain it.
Zophman: So why does the second hand smoke death rate remain?
Nagy: Apparently it remains because smoking is extremely toxic, but not outlawed everywhere, as I think it should be.
Zophman: And does your personal experience regarding lung cancer qualify as scientific study? I doubt it.
Nagy: No, I never claimed that my personal experience is valid science, or nullifies actual studies. If you reread what I wrote, you may find a disclaimer to that effect. I merely expressed some credulousness. If I thought it was important enough to research this, I would educate myself on the number of remaining smokers, and exactly how they k**l those who are just in the same room or house with them. Seems that the toxins emitted from cigarettes, pipes, and cigars should dissipate in the air, at least to a large degree, even if not to the degree I might have guessed.
Zophman: Your premise concerning the proven mortality of fire arms and smoking is without merit as evidenced by studies from numerous organizations including the CDC.
Nagy: What premise is that? I agreed that tobacco use of any kind is a severe abuse that should be outlawed. My conclusion about both guns and tobacco is that they cause great harm without enough good effects to justify either. You seem to agree on the harmful effects of both, but also seem to conclude that neither should be outlawed, or that only cigarette smoking should be, but not firearms. In fact, the harm caused by tobacco has been under legislative assault for a long time. This casts serious doubt on your assertion that its effects are being ignored. Meanwhile the government has done nothing substantial about reducing our firearm deaths.
You seemed to be setting me up to dispute the need to stop the harmful effects of cigarettes, so you could call me hypocrite. When I did not step into your trap you responded as if I had. This is a bit of strawmanism. Apparently your irrational anger is preventing you from making valid observations about what my views are.
Zophman: The CDC has published these findings rega... (
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Your skin must be so thin that if someone shined a flashlight up your ass you could light up Yankee Stadium. I find your smug and caustic personality offensive. You are an ass.